Why 4WD / SUVs are Terrible Family Cars

Mothers have started to swarm in tightly organised groups of 200,000 or so toward the 4WD off-road car. Really and truly it’s hard to think of a more inappropriate selection of family cars.

I tell you people who have off road cars [in the city] are stupid and mad. They should be driven from the roads and birched to within an inch of their lives. Off road cars are daft, anti social and idiotic and the people who drive them are fools.

These are direct quotes from British motoring Journalist Jeremy Clarkson of Top Gear fame who is well known for his bluntly delivered opinions.

Jeremy tested 4WD’s and found them sub-standard in every feature a family car should have for use in the city:

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Fuel Savings

Clarkson: “What I’m doing now is a very simple test I’m filling this 4.6L Range Rover Vouge SE up to the brim with Petrol … now what I’m going to do is take it for a little drive.

Then we’re going to come back and fill it up again and we’ll see just how many miles to the gallon (MPG) this thing is doing … let’s on road” (he says sarcastically) … ”

Now this thing is fuel injected and you might think the fuel injectors are like tiny hypodermic needles delivering minute quantities of atomised fuel .. well they’re not.

Think in terms of 8 burly fireman squirting the petrol in through their hoses.

Now I’ve been driving around for a couple of hours in the sort of stop start city traffic you get when you’re taking the kids to school or going to work and I’ve done 41.7 miles (67.1 KM) and what I’m going to now is fill it up to the brim again … which takes 20.85 litres – 3.2 km/L or 9 miles/gallon !!!

This is obviously atrocious fuel economy when even a normal sedan can achieve 10km/L.

4wd suv worst family car

Parking & Traffic

After the school run some of them head off to take more space than is strictly necessary in a car park (he says sarcastically) … You see them at the supermarket too and this is madness. If everyone in London changed their off-roaders for something smaller than every [traffic] jam would be halved at a stroke

This is true in Australian cities like Sydney as well … consider the “river of steel outside every school playground” which is how Clarkson describes 4WD’s driven by parents and the terrible visibility they have to see children or anyone else darting past behind them.

Safety – Braking & Avoiding Accidents

Clarkson: “But more important than this is the safety … (he says sarcastically)” (cuts to two mothers in 4WD’s) …

Mum 1: “It’s the sort of vehicle that if somebody hits you, you’d be very confident that strapped in here you wouldn’t be hurt”

Mum 2: “It helps on the country lanes being up high”

Clarkson: “That’s nice. It means you can look down on lesser mortals and their ordinary cars. But it means the off-roader has to have a high centre of gravity which is not so nice .. if you have to take emergency action on a motorway it’s more likely to roll over than a normal car…

Then we have braking… or rather we don’t” (cuts to shot of 4WD taking over ten metres more to stop after braking compared to a sedan)

Conclusion

So all things considered the off-road car is not good at avoiding accidents, what however it’s very good at is dealing with them once they happen … in a crash with a normal car the off-roader is clearly the place to be” (cuts to shot of 4WD crushing a sedan in an accident) … “4WD cars then are like nuclear weapons. If one person has one then for protection so must everyone else

Horrified at the thought? Just wait until petrol hits 7 pounds/gallon ($4.62/L) … lets see how many they sell

What do you think … are SUV/4WD’s terrible family cars? What should parents chose instead: a people carrier, large sedan or something else?

37 thoughts on “Why 4WD / SUVs are Terrible Family Cars”

  1. SUV/4WD are terrible cars period! I would go for a large sedan.

    I absolutely love Jeremy Clarkson. Yes he’s blunt but always head on. We have a lot of car programs over here that are simply sponsored by manufacturers, so you never get any unbiased reviews. Top gear doesn’t care about the manufacturers; if the team thinks the car is no good, they will say just that.

  2. I don’t know how people drive those things, honestly… I have a minivan but it’s not nearly that bad and I only use it to bring the kids to school. When it bites the dust, I’ll be getting a compact car like my husband. His Toyota Matrix has saved us so much money on gas.

    EDITOR: Hi Tee. What’s the car market like in the USA at present? Are people slowly moving to smaller cars with more efficient engines like in Australia?

  3. According to this article, Trucks hold own even as gas rises Car sales fall 3%, twice as much as pickups, SUVs this year; rebates, redesigns help sales Americans continue to buy SUVs and large trucks.

    I think there are a few reasons for this.

    #1 The people who buy these vehicles aren’t worried about the environment. That never comes into the equation for them when they purchase a vehicle. If they are well off enough to afford it and that is the vehicle they want – then that is the vehicle they buy – regardless of miles per gallon.

    #2 SUVs and large trucks are a status symbol. I have seen many people who live in lower end housing with these types of vehicles. This is one way they can feel they are equals status-wise with the upper middle class. Also, celebrities in Hollywood continue to flaunt their Cadillac Escalades and such – making them more desirable.

    #3 Dealer incentives. The auto dealerships have been offering all kinds of things to bring in buyers, including free gas for a certain amount of time, etc.

    … So far there has not been a big switch to smaller vehicles. Some people who are concerned with gas prices and who have become increasingly aware of global warming, etc, have switched… Some people would like to switch and can’t afford it. With the economy the way it is, if a person has a car that is already paid off or still has a loan out on it – they don’t want to trade that in for a newer, bigger car payment – even if it’s for a vehicle that will cost them less in gas.

    That’s where I’m at with the minivan. The minivan gets a little over 23 mpg, which isn’t too bad compared to SUVs – but I’m jealous of my husband’s little Toyota. He gets nearly 30 mpg.

    I think the people who will be hit hardest are those lower income SUV owners I mentioned. They may have gotten a good deal on the vehicle, but eventually they are not going to be able to afford the gas.

    Best wishes.

    EDITOR: thanks for those details #1 – not caring about $ cost or environmental cost and #2 status symbol apply in Australia as well

    Unfortunately as with most western countries, people are encouraged to “Keep up with the Joneses” (the desire to be seen as being as good as one’s neighbours or contemporaries using the comparative benchmarks of social caste or the accumulation of material goods. To fail to “keep up with the Joneses” is perceived as demonstrating socio-economic or cultural inferiority)

    Further reading:

    Business Week – Is Keeping Up With The Joneses Killing Us?

    Yahoo Finance – Keeping Up with the Joneses Can Put You Behind

    Christian Science Monitor – A Penny Earned Is A Penny Spent What Can Be Done To Reverse A Tendency To Spend Rather Than Save?

    Thy Neighbor’s Stash

  4. Hmmm. I just recently bought a Subaru compact car, but an all wheel drive model none the less. I live in the heart of Seattle, a fairly major city in my little corner of the world. Unfortunately, I commute to a computer – even when I have one at home – in order to pay rent and buy food. I’d like that not to be the case, and I’m working to make that happen. But I do *sound* like one of the blathering idiots this journalist is describing.

    On the other hand, when it’s possible I’ll walk somewhere rather than drive. Not so much because I want to avoid polluting the air or to save money spent on gas … I just enjoy stretching my legs. The supermarket is three or four blocks away, and it’s easy enough to carry my groceries home. Again, I got a small car, so while I don’t think parking is anywhere near as important as fuel efficiency, that can be a headache in the city with a big SUV, but isn’t necessarily a problem with all AWD cars.

    Finally, I’ve broken down on dirt roads in Hondas and Toyotas; in one case I was more than 20 miles from the nearest paved road. I would definitely agree that buying giant, wasteful vehicles and not taking advantage of what makes them so wasteful is a bit foolish. Our whole reliance on gasoline is a problem, and as a global society we need to change our behavior to fix it. But I think there’s merit in being able to travel great distances, quickly because we spend so much of our lives chained to the work place.

    EDITOR: Thanks for your indepth comments Forrest

    You sound like a smart considerate person, not the kind of SUV city driver driver that Jeremy Clarkson doesn’t like

    There’s nothing wrong with owning a small car with all wheel drive like a Subaru, that would actually improve your driving safety by giving you more control than the incorrectly perceived security that SUV’s give their owners

  5. I own a 4WD. I also own four children and a husband, plus the occasional friend of the kids!

    My option is a people mover – eg Tarago (which is probably the way I would have gone, if not for my husband’s protests).

    So for the time being we need a car that can move everybody. It’s nifty that we can take it off-road (and it has seen some beach runs). In terms of economy, sure it’s a guzzler. But don’t they have like V12’s that chew through the gas too (‘scuse my ignorance, but I am a chick)?

    When we don’t have all the children with us, we use the sedan for day to day driving. And we’ve never had, or caused, an accident in the 4WD.

  6. As Home Simpson says: ‘Why do people do anything? Because they’re stupid!’.

    Buying these cars is not a rational act; they’re bought out of fear. Good on J. Clarkson; putting the boot into P.C. stupidity every time.

  7. Every time i watch the news it seems as if another 4WD is in another fatal accident especially with young children. I guess thats stereotypical and along with the reasons you have put forward, i tend to agree with 4WD’s not being as safe.

  8. Chevrolet Tahoe, is an eight passenger Hybrid SUV. The 2008 Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid – the first General Motors vehicle to use the company’s all-new two-mode hybrid system – has been named Green Car Journal’s 2008 Green Car of the Year

    EDITOR: You have got to be kidding.

    This is part of the transcript from the British motoring TV show “Top Gear” which shows what they thought of the Chevy Tahoe:

    “The Americans have announced their Green car of the year. That’s a 6 litre V8 Chevy Tahoe. I’m absolutely not joking.

    It’s a hybrid. They put a tiny weeny little electric motor in it somewhere and said there you are that’s a hybrid and they’ve fallen for it.

    It does 21 Miles per Gallon, that’s Green (sarcastically).

    Actually the funniest thing is the judges: One of them is Jay Leno, he has a large collection of Ferrari’s and Porches … Carroll Shelby was the man who put the 7 litre engine into the Cobra and spends his time now supercharging Mustangs

    The other judge was Jean-Michel Cousteau, he’s actually Jacques Cousteau’s son.

    I’d love to have been in the room when they were discussing it … poor bloke when he walked into that room and they were there drinking petrol”

  9. In my defense, Subaru ( who’s AWD sedan I bought ) is running commercials saying they produce their cars with zero waste. I don’t think that’s actually true unless you look at a very particular method of measuring waste … but it’s undoubtedly a step in the right direction.

  10. I totaly agree with your observations, I live in Australia why do these people buy these expensive heaps of rubbish, there not safe, some people I see can barley get into them without the accessoried step and grab bar, let alone see over the steering wheel. That’s safe.

    My partner and I were driving home one day, we stopped at a set of traffic lights, I cannot recall exactly what happened but the next thing we see is this 4WD flipped on it’s side and sliding into a power pole at about 60 Kmh, the roof of the afore mentiond vehicle at the A Pillar was crushed down to the bottom of the window , We then saw the vehicle it was hit by, it was this little wedge shaped Japenese thing, I think it was hit on the drivers side rear wheel and it just rolled.

  11. Safety comes in two parts:

    (1) a car can be more or less safe, inherently, than other cars. The Ford Pinto is a great example – when it got hit from behind, the gas tank would explode. This was an unsafe car no matter who was driving it. A lot of giant SUVs have a much higher center of gravity than most vehicles, and are more likely to tip over, even going too quickly around a tight curve.

    (2) the person driving the car has more impact than the car itself. It could be an idiot or drunkard behind the wheel, endangering everybody; or a safety instructor going slow enough in a poorly designed car, mitigating some of the risk.

    That’s important because SUVs have a way of giving people a false sense of confidence. Believing you’re in an impenetrable tank has a way of affecting peoples’ behaviour, making their driving a lot more dangerous than it would otherwise be

    EDITOR: It’s true that the mindset of a driver has a big effect on how safe they are on the roads

  12. My god!
    I am amazed at the sheer ignorance and stupidity of you people. As evidenced by the previous posts.

    Jeremy Clarkson is first and foremost an entertainer and television personality. He (and the other 2) has no technical credence whatsoever. This is a guy who goes on TV and crows about driving a car at 200mph and how the engine produces 875 Bhp etc, not caring about fuel consumption, or other costs . Often these are 2 seater cars that neither I, nor I imagine you vacuous lot could ever afford. The guy speaks absolute drivel most of the time. Because as an entertainer that is what people want. And the stupid things they do on that show!. How is it relevant to a car show to drive cars of a cliff and shoot them with increasingly bigger gun, just to watch them blow up!. Juvenile!.

    But to the comments that started this thread,
    Yes, some people should not drive 4WD vehicles. Why, in some cases they are just not practical. I would not use one to drive through London everyday to work. I used to drive an 8 ton lorry there some years ago and its just too painful, actually that’s in any vehicle, not just a truck, driving in London just sucks.
    Most people, unless they have had experience driving large vehicles think a large $WD is just like a car, not!. They then proceed to drive them like one and wonder why the come unstuck. I would not expect to go around a corner in a truck at the same speed as my wife’s Subaru, and I wouldn’t in a 4WD either.
    Size and weight,

    It may surprise some of you that a large 4WD is similar in weight to a large family station wagon, at around 1900 – 2000Kgs, admittedly this does not include extras some put on their vehicles, though this does not change the total GVM anyway. They are often shorter than the same wagon as well. Visibility is often touted as a negative with a 4WD, a people mover such as a tarago, VW, etc, are often bigger and have less visibility than a lot of 4WDs.

    Fuel economy, this total crap about 4WDs being horrendous gas guzzlers. More weight more fuel gets used to move that weight, most Petrol 4WDs are similar to your average family 6 cylinder car. If we go Diesel, then a 2 to 2.5 tonne vehicle that gets around 9.5 litres per 100kms is pretty good, and they are getting better all the time. Plus with the increasing use of low sulphur Diesel, and coupled with particle filters, most modern Diesel 4WDs can be less polluting than a Petrol vehicle.

    Most people I know who own a 4WD, bought them for a variety of reasons, a lot use them for what they are designed for, going off road. Others use them as tow vehicles, particularly the Diesels , as they will do it a lot easier than most large cars. Much easier and safer getting your big trailer sailor in and out of the water with a 4WD (not that I have a boat).

    Some get then to do the trip of a lifetime thing, particularly here in Australia. You won’t get far crossing the Simpson desert in your Toyota Corolla, and that goes for most other places you may wish to see in Aus that are not on sealed roads. Dirt roads that destroy even 4WDs.

    Environmental impact – A study was done a few years ago by a US organisation, not affiliated with anyone I understand that worked out the TOTAL cost of owning a vehicle. Not just how much fuel it uses, but the cost of design, manufacture, use, and then disposal at the end of its life. This study showed that a Toyota Prius, the darling of the eco-nuts was more environmentally expensive than a Hummer 4WD. Most of which was probably in those expensive batteries that get replaced every 5 – 6 years or so. The point is look at the TOTAL cost of having you car, not just the fuel consumption.

    My wife has a Subaru Forrester, good for the kids. I have a BMW motorcycle, which I ride occasionally and Yes, I do own a 4WD which gets used for what it is designed for, mainly because I like camping, rock climbing and going Bush, it also lets me get my mountain bike into areas too far to ride to from home. I mainly cycle to work everyday, 45 – 50kms round trip.

    EDITOR: Good on you then, you’re using it for what it’s intended for – off roading. I’ve travelled in 4WD vehicles in the Australian outback and that’s where they excel because that’s what they’re designed for.

    The issue is with the 4WD’s which only go “on road” in the middle of cities, like the extremely clean obviously not used offroad 4WD which nearly side swiped me in the shopping centre carpark today

  13. The fact that it was a 4WD that nearly hit you is really irrelevant. It is more a comment on the lack of ability of the driver than what vehicle they drive. But now you know how most motorcyclists feel when some twit pulls out on you says “oh, I did not see you”, because they were too busy driving with their head up their !#*&. Or think that he’s smaller than me I won’t get hurt.
    Sure there are vehicles I would think twice about driving in town, and I do stay out of car parks if I can. Mainly due to low clearance issues etc than anything else. But I prefer to take it into busy ones with mad shoppers etc, because it’s old and I don’t care if some twit dings it with a trolley, got some on the wife’s car 2 weeks from new. But it still comes down to ability, I personally believe it is far too easy to get a driving license in this world. That goes for most countries I have driven in. In Australia it’s a joke. Some people just do not have the mental attributes to be behind the wheel of any vehicle. Me, i was lucky in that I grew up on a farm and learnt to drive at age 9, had to, part of farm life. Could drive trucks and heavy machinery by age 13. Driven trucks in SOHO, London and around that area, and in Africa on some pretty bad roads.
    So it does not matter whether some moron is driving an H1 Hummer down your street or a Toyota corolla, they are still are moron and shouldn’t be on the road. Though admittedly physics does play a part in the amount of damage they can do.
    Anyway, take care on the road, and watch out for moron drivers, there’s one ’round every corner.

  14. All SUVs and 4WD are not created equal. Perhaps the stereotypical image of so-called off-road vehicles that persists is the monster black Range Rover with tinted driven by fat cat men or their stepford wives. But there are new generations of SUV that are hybrid / diesel / low fuel consumption – Lexus, Toyota, Honda come to mind. There are certain advantages to SUV-type vehicles – improved visibility, comfort for larger/taller occupants and usually more space for stuff at the back. With modern stability control, traction control, airbags and braking assistance, safety can be improved significantly. The bleating should really stop about “evil 4WD”, especially by those who choose an alternative that also causes road congestion, global warming and oil depletion – the only true ‘Moral Higher Ground” choice is reliable/cheap/safe public transport working in conjunction with human-powered vehicles like bicycles and walking.

  15. I just got back from Sydney and thoroughly enjoyed my three spare days there staying with friends. I was privy to their getting a second car discussion – their current is Mercedes 4WD which is primarily used to take daughter to private school. Has never been downtown! Second hand Saab was being looked at, reliability and status were discussed but never economy or safety.

    I had some uncomfortable journeys across North Sydney with my mate who only occassionally used the indicators in the 4WD. Having once worked as a motorcycle courier in London, I know this is an excellent technique for killing people you don’t know.

    People don’t see bikes because they are not looking and don’t register when they see one. They always see a cop on a bike though. So when you hear “but I just didn’t see him?” it’s true. Gord Hochkiss could better explain this, Neerav.

    I have to agree that it is the brain behind the wheel that makes the thing “safe” or not; I was nearly knocked down by a tiny little city car in Sydney going too fast around a blind corner. His response was to blast his horn furiously, mine was to pretend it must be someone I knew trying to catch my attention so I gave hima big smile and cheery wave.

    The real reason for my comment is that I beleive the reason for the boom in SUV sales was started during the 1990’s when the US govt created an edict that US manufacturers should move towards 27mpg for sedans by 19?? in an effort to force development of more economic engines. The legislation exempted light trucks; the manufacturers knew that America liked V8’s and horsepower and luxury features, so the SUV was classed as a light truck and agressively marketed. The rest of the world wanted that exciting aura of authenticity – “I could go off-road ANY time I want”. Imagine if they had put all that effort into alternative fuels.

    Just like the Marlboro man, people bought into it – talk about product placement… do we think Tony Soprano really bought that Ford for himself; only inasmuch as he reflected America’s aspirations!!

    Here in New Zealand house are so expensive and petrol (we can’t even get “Gasoline”) is a luxury item, as is electricity, that 4WD’s are mostly used for new housing projects. As houses.

    EDITOR: well written Phil, your writing style reveals a dry sense of humour

  16. I refer to a lot of these vehicles as “Faux Wheel Drives” in that they wouldn’t know true 4 wheel driving if it hit them in the face.

    I think people who drive these vehicles in cities like Sydney, London etc should have to pay a premium of some sort via their rego, or maybe tax to pay for carbon offsets and the additional damage to roads that heavier vehicles cause.

    I’m not against all 4WD’s and can see the practicality of a Landcruiser for life in remote locations like the mines in WA, or for country surfing or fishing missions driving up the beach somewhere.

    It’s just the fact that the closest the majority of these vehicles in the city come to off roading is having to negotiate a patch of unsealed road work while driving up the pacific highway on christmas holidays.

  17. I’ve always considered SUVs to be a terrible car, certainly for a family. Yes I understand some people have large families and need to haul around their 6th son’s lacrosse gear while driving susy to choir practice, but how many SUV consumers you know do actually utilize their car/truck for this purpose? More often than not, you’ll see one driver in the Suburban trucking down the highway, devouring gas the whole way.

    I think that we are, and will continue to see, a shift to smaller cars, but there will be larger options as well if they have hybrid versions developed. Fuel cell SUVs are also an option as well, but the costs are well out of the league of most consumers, and the infrastructure isn’t there yet (http://www.chevyequinox.net has a blurb about the fuel cell version of a Chevy SUV).

  18. Actually, I find SUV’s pretty useful. Not all SUVs are 4WD anyways. They are comfortable, they are spacious and they are fuel efficient. Well, most diesel that is. I would rather sit my family in an SUV than a car or a minivan.

  19. Really I see that SUV is best for big families and the ones who travel a lot so it’s just a point of view. Good article by the way !!

  20. We own two SUV’s mainly because we have 4 children. What was driving me in to bankruptcy was the gas prices. They are once again affordable, but because of last years gas prices if I buy another it will by a hybrid

  21. I,d join a campaign against 4WD,s they take up to much space,
    polute the air ,driven by one person usually after the school run,walk the kids,start out early,do your family a favour.
    Good comment by Phil and I agree with- its the brains behind the wheel,and here in Bayside Victoria manners and brains seem to go hand in hand—lack of.
    Lots of Posuers though

  22. I love SUV’s and 4WD but i’m a young male. I think women (mothers) just feel safer when that have a big car with a lot of room surrounding their children.

  23. Ok, SUV has been blame in mostly 3 areas.

    1- Fuel Milleage: in fact some SUV will eat more gas than a standar sedan, but what about those driving huge luxury sedans (Big BMW, Mercedes, Cadillacs, etc) and sport cars (such as Corvettes, Ferraris, Lambos, Camaro’s, Porsches) there are also a big numbers of these and they are not even close to be economic or gas friendly, and those does not even maatch the comfort and utilitarian of a SUV, so all of them should be blaame as well. Also there are a lot of Turbo Diesel SUV that can match good fuel milleage.

    2- Safety (Pasive): Topics about emergency situations can lead to a SUV to roll over can be scary and some true, but recent changes in chasis and suspesion and aditional electronic aids such as “stability control” and full-time 4wd will minimize this aspect a lot, also it is more saffer to be in a SUV when an accident happend (Active Safety). Also driving within speed limit and in a prudent way is the more saffer action.

    3- Size: Well, everyone can select what fit best, if we need a bigger vehicle due to big family or other specific, it is the same when buying a house or clothes, you got what it fit you best.

    Also, the SUV offer some features that can not be match by a sedan, when there are needs to towing or beach (or mountains) apart getaway’s, there’s no need to rent a car capable to do it, because even the smallest SUV can do good in those areas with decent milleage (some) and in a saffer way (the newest ones)

    My opinion. Thanks,

  24. I live in San Diego CA, U.S.A and i drove a 4wd TRUCK, why? because I CAN! AS long as I have the money to pay for Ill keep on diving them, but its true I dont used to go everywhere

    I got myself a small TOYOTA YARIS that I used to go to wokr, i used my truck when I go out to the dessert, mts, ect and I carry ATVS, dirtbikes ect, so unless you dont used them for that I think its just a waste of money.

  25. you people should drop your sedans and buy a range rover or a discovery there safe and compact and so far the 2.7 option has been very economical

  26. Appreciate all of the previous comments but am still going to buy a “high” SUV / AWD vehicle in the near future. Why? Because both my husband and myself have back issues which are getting progressively worse lifting / manouvering small children into low car seats. With a higher vehicle we can avoid the half-bent-over twisting which is so painful.
    And in light of the above, naturally we are not pursuing a “serious” 4WD as we just plain don’t need one. If not for kiddies and back issues we would buy the smallest hatch with good safety ratings and be very happy!
    Also our household only has ONE car and we use public transport where possible so our environmental impact / concerns re fuel prices are greatly diminished.

  27. Car have many style many size, You must select it for match your style. No car can be use in any situation like a duck, they can do anything walk, fly but not good at all things.

  28. I now live in Beijing China. Over the last couple of years the 4WD craze has hit the wealthy here.
    Problem here is that the wealthy think nthey are one better than everyone else.
    So any one in a car does what he wants–stuff everyone else. Just like pulling a rick shaw!
    So then the rich nut gets a 4WD and watch out everyone!
    And if it has government plates–its a disaster looking for somewhere to happen!
    There is no place for these vehicles on an everyday basis in the city.
    I had two 4WD s in Australia because I needed them every day ! So yes , they did get into the city when I had to go there, but I would like to think I drive a bit safer than the average Mum on the way to school.
    Here, we have access to car, and I hardly use it–its quicker on a push bike!
    And I cannot see the logic in 25000 cars sitting in a traffic jam, all with only one driver!
    Steve G

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